tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post7714527651415358780..comments2023-10-20T06:31:29.919-05:00Comments on The Logic of Long Distance: Toughness as an Act of ImaginationJeff Edmondshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11840746835757479590noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-12792394614587874202016-06-06T21:48:29.370-05:002016-06-06T21:48:29.370-05:00true religion outlet
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I had this post on my mind this mo...Good one, Jeff. I had this post on my mind this morning. With each hill repeat, I tried to embrace the effort and not look for or worry about the hurt or pain.<br /><br />This connected a wider series of dots for me. Not so much in my "training" per se. I have yet to come to Quentin Cassidy's view of the run (or the race) as something that just "is," or The Task as a kind of absolute or singularity. There is something very beautiful in that. It is just not for me. I'm always looking for connections between all aspects of my life ( e.g., running, relationships, spirituality and work.)<br /><br />The post above reminds me that I'm at my best when I know what (or whom) to ignore. The more doors and avenues I close, the better I am at what's important. The philosophers and spiritual writers have always railed against distraction. When I'm home, things are the best and happiest when the cell phone is off and out of sight. When I'm focused on a task at work, I am most intelligent when the message boards and the social networking sites are out of sight and out of mind. I am the most incompetent and stupid when they are not. When I am doing hill repeats at 5k effort, I need to shut everything out so that I can zero in on that 5k race-effort feeling and slip into it. When I'm praying, I try not to be consumed and carried off by small and petty thoughts.NaderAlfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08737988156579609786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-72196180731394323642011-09-27T08:09:13.739-05:002011-09-27T08:09:13.739-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.NaderAlfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08737988156579609786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-90430500849272809422011-09-27T08:08:15.220-05:002011-09-27T08:08:15.220-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.NaderAlfiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08737988156579609786noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-88237595445794875352011-09-26T21:39:37.409-05:002011-09-26T21:39:37.409-05:00@GZ: The Central Governor stuff was in the back of...@GZ: The Central Governor stuff was in the back of my mind as I wrote this post, but I couldn't quite figure out how to work it in. I believe that the CG theory postulates that pace regulation happens at a more subconscious level and is more about protecting the body from heat exhaustion than about our preperceptions... I'm not sure exactly how related that stuff is to these thoughts which are more about perception and attention. It is likely that there are connections to be drawn, but I just dabble in this stuff (obviously.)<br /><br />@mike: Your post touches a bit on what GZ says at the end of his post. It is hard to find the language to talk about "the proper" relation to pain. Maybe you are right to talk about "kinds" of awareness, but again I am running up against the limits of my pop-psychology background! Your comment rings true to me for some races (I think of my 5000m track PR for example), but for some others there was no awareness of pain at all.<br /><br />@Zach: I tried to write somewhat concretely about this in the post and in my comments to Josh. I don't think your question quite gets at the problem. What I want to say is that we should be aware of the role that preperception plays in the experience of pain, and we should be on guard against the sorts of preperceptions that amplify pain or perhaps cause us to tense up in the face of it. What this means for training is less that we should be thinking more or less about running and more that we should experiment with different habits of attention in our training and be aware of where and how our focus is drifting at different stages of racing and training.<br /><br />One thing that all of these comments remind me of is that the act of running itself can sometimes put us in a different state of attunement or awareness. The "good run" and the "bad run" are more like events than acts of will. But perhaps we can try to put ourselves into the sort of mind-frame that makes good runs more likely by paying attention to the signals of the good run: rhythm, balance, organization, thresholds, strength, and turning away from the signals of the bad run: imbalance, doubt, frustration, fear. Attention, however, can only do so much.Jeff Edmondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11840746835757479590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-35588324174852379092011-09-26T20:20:33.045-05:002011-09-26T20:20:33.045-05:00What does this mean for my training? Should I be ...What does this mean for my training? Should I be thinking about running? Should I not be thinking about running?Zach VanderVeenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02442507412891534071noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-67333546136249201672011-09-26T19:47:57.716-05:002011-09-26T19:47:57.716-05:00Great post, Jeff. Though I wouldn't necessaril...Great post, Jeff. Though I wouldn't necessarily say that in my best races I was less attentive to the pain. If anything I was more attentive to it, but with no emotion-- able to become almost a detached observer to my own destruction.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15303177274856360690noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-87100643979236688862011-09-26T18:22:28.868-05:002011-09-26T18:22:28.868-05:00I think that is a tunnel in the Pittsburgh area.
...I think that is a tunnel in the Pittsburgh area. <br /><br />Anyway - I thought you were going to take this more in the central governor direction - but good writing and thinking here. <br /><br />What is amazing to me is how when a run goes bad, it goes REALLY bad. I am running slow, painful, and feel horrible. Suddenly, pedestrian paces are gut wrenching ... <br /><br />But when it is good - you are flying, you are aware of the pain, but it is almost as if it does not matter or count. And you can just keep digging - or breaking through as you call it.GZhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12623054918799881730noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-90573735479256441172011-09-26T13:38:49.650-05:002011-09-26T13:38:49.650-05:00Josh, that's an excellent comment.
While, ob...Josh, that's an excellent comment. <br /><br />While, obviously, gains in training have to do with gaining physical fitness, I don't think you can understand what happens in training the body without also looking at the effects on the mind. For example, some runners make the mistake of always running very hard when they are running fast--they think that running fast has to be painful, so when they set out to run fast, they seek pain! This, of course, sets up precisely the wrong association in the mind; they teach the mind that running fast hurts. The point of training is to learn how to run fast without pain... this is a psychological explanation of why coaches are always holding their runners back in practice.<br /><br />Of course, there is also a place in training for encountering in a controlled way the pain that we experience in racing so that we can practice dealing with it.<br /><br />This way of understanding pain moves us away from thinking of being tough as "trying harder." After all, we can only try so hard--and it's even unclear what it means to "try hard" besides tensing up your forehead or shoulders. If we want to be tougher, we ought instead to watch where our attention goes in training and ask ourselves if it is going to the right places. <br /><br />The best runners, it seems to me, have an extraordinary ability to focus; they are in control of their attention, and they are able to turn it to the things that help them run well--and away from the things that inhibit them.Jeff Edmondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11840746835757479590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1196651674832836865.post-55413274589630492902011-09-26T12:25:26.916-05:002011-09-26T12:25:26.916-05:00Eureka! This post connected a few dots for me; tha...Eureka! This post connected a few dots for me; thanks. What if the real benefit of physical fitness has less to do with the ability to run fast, and more to do with building confidence and belief in ability to run fast? That would result in less preperception of pain, which then leads to less actual pain, which then leads to faster race times. I like this. I hope it's true.Junk Milerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03723994360604534157noreply@blogger.com